Thursday, June 21, 2007

Summer Solstice!

Dragon Mood? -- welcoming this warm, wonderful season

And I would be totally remiss if I didn't note that today is the Summer Solstice, the first day of summer.


Solstice comes from the Latin (sol, sun; sistit, stands).
For several days before and after each solstice, the sun appears to stand still in the sky—that is, its noontime elevation does not seem to change.

Get outside!

Stare at the stars!

Howl at the moon!

Enjoy the summer!

Tomorrow is FIVE days!

Dragon Mood? -- embracing the dare-I-say joyful anticipation?

So tomorrow I complete my first week on the new job.   (sigh)   Yeah, the first week is tough! So much pent-up anticipation and energy and yet not enough knowledge or experience to apply it! ArrrghhH!

My boss has either spent enough time with me or directed others my way that I'm getting the clear sense that once I am in the swing of things, I am going to be very busy. Some of it will be daily grind sort of stuff, some of it will involve assessing and responding to exception-to-the-rules sort of situations.

And this all has to do with managing a "conduit" of data between this new company of mine (hee-hee, feels funny to say that) and BIG companies we serve.

I feel a surprising sense of happy anticipation as I embrace this new work journey. I want to do a good job for these folks, for this company ... and I want to do well for myself, make myself proud too.

UPDATE: Interestingly, after I posted this, I went to Astrodienst to check my horoscope. Here's what was posted for me today:
Enlarging your scope

In most areas of your life, you are able to act much more decisively than usual, especially in dealing with others. You know where you stand, and you ask others to let you know where they stand. And despite your self-assertiveness, you are able to create a balance in a group so that everyone benefits from working together and no one feels dissatisfied.

Under this influence you will want to enlarge the scope of your activities somewhat. It will not be enough to express your energies as you have in the past. At this time you want to find new expressions, and you will look for people to share in this. For this reason you want to be with active people who have enough energy to go along with your plans. On the physical level, this is usually a period of good health.

Monday, June 18, 2007

First day on the new job

Dragon Mood? -- merrily singing "Heigh-ho, heigh-ho, it's off to work I go ..."

Here's the short and sweet on my first day at the new job. I got my ID badge, my parking badge, read, re-read and dilly-dallied over a 68-page PowerPoint presentation -- yes, it was just as bad as you might be imagining it to be -- and then read a 30-page (give or take a few pages) Word document on data standards. Killing me with a thousand pinpricks would be less painful!

Tomorrow will be better. I know it will!

Unexpectedly pissed off!

Dragon Mood? -- pissed off and unexpectedly so!

I stumbled upon one of these light, entertaining "What are you?-" sort of blog tests. But I wasn't expecting to come off as The Middle Finger ... and I wasn't expecting how pissed off it makes me feel! So there!

You Are the Middle Finger

A bit fragile and dependent on your friends, you're not nearly as hostile as you seem. You are balanced, easy to get along with, and quite serious. However, you can get angry and fed up with those around you. And you aren't afraid to show it!

You get along well with: The Index Finger

Stay away from: The Pinky


I'm chalking these results up to 18 months of insecure, impermanent or non-existent employment. I'm NOT The Middle Finger, dammit! I'm just experiencing a little residual anger, humiliation and rage, that's all!

Friday, June 15, 2007

The goose that lays the golden egg

Dragon Mood? -- ???

My honey, S, and I have talked about this new era for us, with my starting this job only three days from now. Given how many people are looking for jobs and how scarce jobs are these days (in this neck of the woods, anyway), we have agreed that I need to treat this job like it's gold, like it's the goose that lays the golden egg, our meal ticket, our ticket to Easy Street ... let's see, how many more similes do I need to use? You get the picture, right?

So I'm prepared to do that. Yup, I am.

I'm just wondering though ... will I ever have time again to blog? Will I?

Is this another thing that I need to let go, to mourn, to grieve? (heavy sigh)

Stay tuned.

The emotional reverberations

Dragon Mood? -- a bit bewildered

In a previous post, I alluded to "swinging" emotions.

From the giddiness of my initial reaction, I retreated into this almost turtle-like shell of feeling almost nothing. I kept telling people that I am slow to react to events, but even I was amazed at how it didn't feel real, it didn't feel like something that was happening to me and I wondered how long it would take to feel something.

Tuesday, after our whirlwind weekend of constant socializing, I was simply tired. Both physically, mentally and emotionally. I just wanted to sleep. The warm, humid temperatures of June only added to my desire to cocoon and sleep.

The past three days, that has abated somewhat, only to be replaced with this anxiety about my first day on the job, next Monday. Understandable, right?

But, I've also been experiencing sadness, a sense of loss of freedom, almost a grief at the prospect of being "back in the harness," losing my ability to do what I want when I want ... now that I have a job. Imagine going from high anxiety about the lack of a job, the inability to get a job, and the incumbent financial worries that go along with that -- not to mention the loss of health care insurance -- now to feeling sadness and grief that I'm hooked, I'm harnessed, I'm trapped back in the worker bee mode. Waaahh! I've lost freedom that I may never have again!

Is this normal? ... even close to normal? Or am I simply crazy?

June weekend recap

Dragon Mood? -- catching up

Much has happened over this past week and curiously, I simply haven't felt like blogging about it. After having received the news of finally, finally securing a job, my mind has been in a whirl and my emotions have been swinging around enough to make my mind look like it's been sitting still.

Here's a recap of this past weekend's events:
  • Friday evening, my sister and brother-in-law, Ruth and Paul, as well as their three children, Aaron, Luke and Jess drove up from Chicago to spend the weekend. Friday evening, we drank wine, ate munchies, ordered pizza, exchanged stories, and toasted ME on the occasion of my new job. Jess, Luke and Aaron also surprised their parents with the news of an informal 30th anniversary party.

  • Saturday was a day of errands, scurrying around buying cards (belated graduation for Jess, anniversary for Ruth & Paul, Father's Day for Dad, belated birthday card for Joanne) and small gifts, such as they were. While I now have a job, I still don't have any money coming in right now and it felt very odd to allow myself the freedom to spend money. What a curious feeling!

  • Ruth & Paul's party began at 5, but I arrived at John & Kari's lovely home in DeWitt around 4. Ruth, in particular, felt a bit discombobulated at not being involved in party and food preparations -- she was told to "get out of the kitchen." Well!

    Aaron, Luke and Jess did a great job of putting the party together. I know it's something they're unaccustomed to, but they did a bang-up job! John & Kari are gracious hosts and put everyone at their ease.

    It was enjoyable to see people whom I hadn't seen for quite a while. S and I visited with Ruth's good friend, Anne, a retired attorney now living in Birmingham, Michigan. It felt good to be open about our relationship with her. Paul's dad, Roy, was giving away as well as selling copies of his new book, a first volume (of many) on preaching guides based on the church year. If you're not Lutheran, don't worry if you don't understand. It's all very detailed and parochial. Roy was understandably proud of his efforts.

    Luke and his Aunt Mary finally had their drinking time! We worked on three bottles of wine through the evening. We did have some help killing off the old soldiers, but I took precautions to drink loads of water and a piece of bread when I got home.

  • Sunday morning I was moving slow, but drove into town to meet Aaron at his grandparents' home to pick up some large terra cotta pots that nobody seemed to want and had been languishing there. Aaron did the heavy lifting while I stood by.

    Shortly later, everyone else joined us after finishing the church service they had attended. We all said our round of good-byes and I left.

    S and I prepared to head up north to attend Dobie's visitation. We took a brief nap, showered, dressed, loaded up the car and the dog and left about 4. We arrived there after six and paid our respects at the funeral home. Surprisingly, mutual friends of ours, Michelle and Sue, had also driven up for the visitation -- people we haven't seen since December -- so we got to visit and catch up with them as well.

    We finished the day by arriving at the home of S's sister, Michelle, and her husband, Jim, to spend the night. I showered, said my good-nights and crashed. S and Michelle sat up and visited for a while.

  • Monday morning, S and I dressed, left Cisco with Michelle, and headed back down US-27 to attend the funeral. Kevin made some absolutely delicious Bloody Mary's for us to drink later in the day ... but we all got a pre-funeral taste of their spicy, vodka-infused lusciousness!

    The funeral was well-attended and many people recounted loving memories of Dobie. As I had feared, there was an incident regarding who constituted family when it came time for seating the family. Thankfully, there were enough people who recognize Joanne as Jeanne's partner and also recognize her significant contributions over these past months, that Joanne sat in the first row, right next to Jeanne through the service -- as she should have.

  • We finished up the day by driving back north to change our clothes, visit with Michelle for about an hour, pack up the dog and head back downstate. We first visited our home in the pines, switched bags and clothes and cars, and then drove the second leg of the journey back here to our pied-a-terre in the city. Whew! Such a lot of driving!
And that was just the weekend!

Friday, June 08, 2007

Good news, good news

Dragon Mood? -- doing dragon hops & squeals!

Finally, finally ... I have GOOD NEWS to report! I got a job and start Monday, June 18th. I'm so ecstatic, so elated, I can hardly see straight! Halleleujah!

That's what I am!

Thursday, June 07, 2007

Reflections on Dobie

Dragon Mood? -- the anticipatory waiting is past; now, it's sadly waiting

Earlier this week, I had contemplated writing a blog post about waiting. I was in a waiting mode about a prospective job. S and I were in a waiting mode, wondering about Dobie.

Dobie, Jeanne's father, aged 102, was beginning to decline. Jeanne's partner and our good friend, Joanne, had called us Sunday to forewarn us. He had stopped eating, his breathing had become erratic and the family had called Hospice for intervention. Today Joanne called again to say that Dobie had "passed on," this morning around 7. Jeanne and Joanne and all of Jeanne's family, all of their waiting was over. Our waiting was over. Most importantly though, Dobie's waiting was over.

S and I had the privilege over these past three-and-a-half months to have a number of meals with Dobie, Jeanne and Joanne. It's remarkable to see someone who is that aged, to watch their eyes, to look at their skin, to hear them engage in conversation and interact with others. They have lived so long, have witnessed so much, experienced so many things, from a common-sense standpoint, you would think you'd feel some aura or wellspring of fullness, completeness, overflow -- you know?

But I didn't experience that sensation around Dobie. He felt small, frail and rather diminished. Though his mind was generally quite sharp, he had lost much of his hearing which in turn, inhibited conversation and was quite isolating for him, I imagine. I never saw him walk further than from his bedroom to his Lazyboy chair and then onto the dining room table. He went from walking slowly to walking tentatively to sometimes shuffling.

Rather than having things to look forward to, virtually all of Dobie's conversations centered around the past and past events. Most of my conversations with him were focused on events of the 1920s, 30s and 40s. We rarely spoke about current events. He seemed disinterested in politics or social issues or even the weather. If we talked about the weather, it prompted him to remember some past weather event.

What is that like, to grow so old, to become so "used up" that there's very little left? Is it painful or simply boring? Do you care or is it easier to disengage? Do you patiently bide your time, waiting your turn to die? Better to wholeheartedly ignore the inevitable? Is that what old age is about?

S and I tried several times to "get inside" Dobie's head, but typical of many elderly people, particularly men, he was not given to personal reflection or observations. One time, S asked him point-blank for some general advice and Dobie's response ended with, "Keep your mouth shut!" We were a bit stunned at the harshness of his words, given that he appeared such a gentle and unintimidating individual. Perhaps we never knew the real Dobie. Maybe, that part of him had already disappeared, already used up?

Dobie's life, his very personhood remains something of a mystery. We can neither add to his life nor take anything away. It is what it is. And it is not ours to embellish, to diminish, nor to judge.

Good-bye Dobie. Godspeed. It was great to know you.

Tuesday, June 05, 2007

Apocalyptic reading

Dragon Mood? -- remembering

While awaiting a much-anticipated phone call, I watched Oprah today. She interviewed Cormac McCarthy, a well-known and respected American author who is intensely private. He has just written a book called The Road, described as a post-apocalyptic novel. My ears immediately perked up.

When I was either a senior in high school or maybe a freshman in college, I read another post-apocalyptic book called A Canticle for Liebowitz. Here's a synopsis of it:
Walter M. Miller's acclaimed SF classic A Canticle for Leibowitz opens with the accidental excavation of a holy artifact: a creased, brittle memo scrawled by the hand of the blessed Saint Leibowitz, that reads: "Pound pastrami, can kraut, six bagels--bring home for Emma." To the Brothers of Saint Leibowitz, this sacred shopping list penned by an obscure, 20th-century engineer is a symbol of hope from the distant past, from before the Simplification, the fiery atomic holocaust that plunged the earth into darkness and ignorance. As 1984 cautioned against Stalinism, so 1959's A Canticle for Leibowitz warns of the threat and implications of nuclear annihilation. Following a cloister of monks in their Utah abbey over some six or seven hundred years, the funny but bleak Canticle tackles the sociological and religious implications of the cyclical rise and fall of civilization, questioning whether humanity can hope for more than repeating its own history. Divided into three sections--Fiat Homo (Let There Be Man), Fiat Lux (Let There Be Light), and Fiat Voluntas Tua (Thy Will Be Done)--Canticle is steeped in Catholicism and Latin, exploring the fascinating, seemingly capricious process of how and why a person is canonized. --Paul Hughes
For whatever reason, that book has always stuck with me. It left a deep and abiding impression on me. It was dark and depressing, but I felt compelled to read it to the end. Even the ending was dark and depressing. Ohh!

Now, I'm debating on whether I want to read McCarthy's book or not. I think so.

Monday, June 04, 2007

5 5 5 _


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Originally uploaded by megpickard.
Halfway through the year .... and here's where I'm headed.

NO, not to five-hundred and five ... but to FIFTY-FIVE!

As our good friend and neighbor, Jan, would say, "Double-NICKELS!"

Weekend catchup

Dragon Mood? -- remembering

This past weekend feels somewhat like a dream ... hazy, blurred, slow-motion.

Compared to the last four weekends, this one was slow! We didn't head up north for more handicap-ramp-building, but stayed "at home" in the pine forest, amazed at the quantity of pine pollen that coats all surfaces with its fluorescent green. Windshields sported films of green, deck chairs looked like green aliens had plopped in them, even puddles of standing water looked like brackish swamps. Yup, it's definitely pine pollen time.

Saturday was a chore day. I ran numerous errands, buying copious quantities of coffee at Horrocks, grass seed, caulk, dog food at Soldans -- you know, all the fun stuff you can't way to buy!?! S mowed the grass, a huge chore anytime, but made even larger when it's warm and humid. She looked more than a mite wilted when I found her at home, mowing done, drinking a beer. She cut the grass as low as possible and it looked lush and inviting and like a park!

Saturday evening we "treated" ourselves to a carry-out dinner from Woody's that included kibbeh sandwiches, spicy hummus and six stuffed grape leaves. Oh yes, and we splurged and bought a small container of deep-red, pickled turnips as well as a small container of fresh olives. Yum! We hit the video store and rented three DVDs, all light, fluffy comedies for our Saturday "date night" entertainment.

Sunday? Well, Sunday was supposed to be a highly productive day which slowly melted into a barely productive day with lots of staring out the window as rain, rain and more rain fell. Don't get me wrong -- it was absolutely lovely to watch and to listen to -- I was mesmerized. A whole day of dreamy, dreamy dreaminess!

Wrong ... again!

Dragon Mood? -- chagrined?

"Wrong ... again!" is becoming a too-regular theme in my life ... especially recently. You know how I noted here that I didn't think I'd hear from a certain employer again? Well, I was wrong. Thankfully!

I meet with them again today for a second interview, for a second position. Personally, I don't think I'm all that well-qualified for the job, but what do I know? Obviously, this whole unemployment thing has skewed my perspective on me, my qualifications, my abilities and particularly my self-confidence in ways I never saw coming! ArrrghhH!

Call me

Thursday, May 31, 2007

One more post for today ...

Dragon Mood? -- dragons LOVE Blue Moons!

One more noteworthy item for today: Today is a blue moon. The moon was full earlier this month on May 2nd and it will be full today, May 31st as well. Happy Blue Moon, everybody!

Setting sail -- from Astrodienst

Dragon Mood? -- wondering if I need a life preserver?

From my absolutely most favorite astrology site, Astrodienst comes this longer-range forecast for me:

Setting sail
Valid during many months: This influence represents a point when you look back over what you have accomplished in life. You try to evaluate and understand exactly what you have learned and what it means for you personally. It is no longer enough to have the approval of others; you need the approval of yourself as well.

If your life does not stand up to your analysis, you may decide to make certain changes. You may choose a very early retirement from your profession so that you can go off in a completely new direction, one that will give you more personal satisfaction. You will be interested in new ways of dealing with your life that help you succeed purely in your own terms.

No matter what you are doing now and after this time, allow yourself these experiences so you can learn what you need to make your life really fulfilling. In a few years from now, you may have to make much more radical changes then in order to improve your life, if you can make them at all.

Transit selected for today (by user):
Uranus Trine Uranus,
activity period from beginning of April 2007
until beginning of March 2008.

Job hunting update

Dragon Mood? -- a little bit disappointed

I had another job interview yesterday ... and I think it simply was NOT a good fit. The job entailed heavy, heavy use of geometric dimensioning and tolerancing, more commonly known as GD & T. While I have some experience with it, I am by no means an experienced user of it nor an expert. I don't anticipate hearing from those folks again. Darn!

Shiny-new browser

Dragon Mood? -- draggin' dragon but geekily happy

After a totally unrestful sleep last night, I decided to dive in and download the new version of Mozilla's Firefox 2.0.0.4 this morning.

I've had some experiences in the past downloading other software apps that were total nightmares. TOTAL NIGHTMARES! Nightmares like being on the phone with a tech support person in New Delhi, I-N-D-I-A for over FIVE HOURS!

Firefox 2

Firefox being part of Mozilla, I should have known better. The download AND installation of the shiny-new browser took less than two minutes! Yep, you read that right, LESS THAN TWO MINUTES! I started at 8:06 this morning and before the digital clock read 8:08, I was up and running! Wow! Knock me over with a feather!

I also dove in and installed several Firefox extensions ... something I've never done before. Here's what I installed:
So far, after three-plus hours, I'm more than satisfied. I'll keep you posted!

700th POST!

Dragon Mood? -- elated!

Today is Thursday, May 31st, 2007 and this post is notable because it's my 700th one! My first post was published on Friday, February 27th, 2004. Three years plus and 699 posts later, here I am! How 'bout that?

When I first started this blog, I was responding to my daughter, Lina, starting her blog. Blogging was new (to me!) and since I enjoy computer technology AND writing, it seemed like a perfect outlet for me. Now, I have four active blogs (seen above, under the calypsodragon13 header banner) and six or seven mostly inactive ones. Sheesh! I wonder if there are intervention groups for addicted bloggers?

Wednesday, May 23, 2007

In the Roman Republic ...

Dragon Mood? -- appreciating the connection

You would think that being unemployed, I'd have loads and loads of time on my hands to keep up with all things cyber- and internetty and webbish. Wrong! I was going through hundreds of accumulated postings from my Bloglines account and this one jumped out at me (plus, I LOVE Roman history -- so noble and yet so degenerate). From Josh Marshall's TPM.

In the Roman Republic, particularly in its last century or so, as the system slid out of control, there was a key interplay between absolute power and legal vulnerability at the center of the political system. A consul had near limitless powers during their one year in office. But if they offended too many people during their term, they could be prosecuted for their acts once they left office.

So as they readied to leave office, consuls would try secure positions or dispensations that would protect them from their enemies.

Our system is different of course. But not altogether so. So as these various investigations move forward -- how are Al Gonzales and Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld and a lot of other people ... what arrangements are they making for their safety and immunity after January 2009? Immunity from prosecution in the US? Abroad? We should pay close attention to the details of legislation the White House puts forward over the next eighteen months. You may not be thinking about this issue. But they are.

Why we're so awesome

Dragon Mood? -- pleased as punch!

As my nephew, Luke, put it so succinctly, here's a nice article on why we're SO AWESOME. I couldn't help it, I've reproduced the whole damn thing. Oh yeah, this is Andy Katz from ESPN.

It's finally time to acknowledge something: Michigan State -- yes, Michigan State -- has arguably been college basketball's top program over the past 10 years.

There, it's been said. Now let the e-mails and message boards outside of East Lansing implode.

But if you disagree, you had better bring a lot of ammunition, because the Spartans have plenty on their side. Yes, we know. It's not what mainstream America is used to hearing, but it's the truth.

Tom Izzo was the handpicked successor of Jud Heathcote, and all Izzo has done is make the Spartans one of the most consistent programs in the country. Over the past 10 seasons, Michigan State has the most Final Four appearances of any school in the nation (four) and also has a fifth Elite Eight appearance in that span.

The Spartans have a national title, four conference championships and two conference tournament titles to go with 10 straight NCAA Tournament appearances (the fifth-longest streak in the nation).

Want more? Michigan State has had NBA draft picks (10 since 2000) and graduates (29 out of the 35 players who completed their four years on campus earned a degree). The Spartans have excelled on their home court, posting a 141-13 record (72-8 Big Ten) and selling out the 14,759-seat Breslin Center for 145 consecutive games. They also have an elite practice facility in the Berkowitz Basketball Complex, and are consistently good in recruiting, bringing in eight McDonald's All-Americans and five players who were named Mr. Basketball in Michigan.

Here are four more of my favorite stats:
• Over the past 10 years, Michigan State played 32 ranked nonconference opponents in the regular season, including 20 in the top 10. MSU also played Kentucky twice during that period when the Wildcats were unranked.

• Izzo has had to deal with quite a bit of staff turnover, with six assistants leaving for head coaching jobs in the past 10 years.

• Few schools have as much of a defined basketball identity as Michigan State, which led the Big Ten in rebounding eight of the past 10 years and was ranked in the top 10 nationally six times.

• Every four-year player recruited by Izzo in the past 10 years has played in at least one Final Four.

That last one may be the one that pushes the Spartans over the top. Think about that: Izzo can legitimately claim that if a player stays for all four years, he's got a real shot at being in a Final Four.

Oh, and if we want to really rub it in the rest of the Big Ten, every team in the league has had a coaching change during Izzo's 12-year tenure, with seven of the 10 schools having three coaches during his run. Izzo once considered leaving East Lansing -- for the chance to coach the Atlanta Hawks -- but he stayed.

What does Izzo have to say about all this?

"Someone has to bring all of this up since I never look at it, but when I see it on paper, I say, 'Damn, that's pretty good,'" Izzo said. "We've lost two freshmen, two sophomores and a junior [early to the NBA draft] and we're not the type of school that can recruit easily. We're not Duke or North Carolina. I feel privileged that we're in that spot, but we've earned it."

The 2005 Final Four run may have been the most significant. Reaching St. Louis after three straight Final Fours from 1999 through 2001 was the most telling sign that Izzo had built a power program, not just a great team that had a nucleus to sustain those three previous Final Four squads.

"That was the biggest one," Izzo said. "We didn't drop off."

Izzo points to all the defections, from Jason Richardson to Zach Randolph to those that shouldn't have left early like Marcus Taylor and Erazem Lorbek, to illustrate the number of hits the Spartans have had to withstand.

In 2003-04, he put together a brutal nonconference schedule -- including Kansas, Duke, Oklahoma, Kentucky, UCLA and Syracuse -- that resulted in a 5-6 start. MSU didn't fall flat, though, rallying to make the NCAA Tournament at 18-11 before losing to Nevada in the first round.

The next season, the Spartans were back in the Final Four after knocking off Duke and Kentucky in consecutive games in the Austin Regional, only to lose to eventual champ North Carolina in the national semifinal.

It would be easy to anoint Duke as the top program over the past 10 years, but Michigan State's nonconference schedule, its ability to withstand losing assistants, the Final Fours (one more than Duke) and the facilities give the Spartans the nod, in one writer's opinion.

Arizona has been a model of consistency, but doesn't have the number of Final Fours to show for it (even though it can match MSU with its tough schedules). Kentucky, North Carolina, Connecticut, Maryland and Syracuse all have had a dip; all except Kentucky have missed the NCAA Tournament at least once during the past 10 years.

Florida's run has been extremely impressive. The Gators do have three Final Fours and two national titles, but they also had some early exits and weren't the dominant team in the SEC (Kentucky was) early on under Billy Donovan. The nonconference schedule and staff changes still would favor MSU.

Kansas has its points, too, weathering a head coaching change, overall staff changes and NBA draft defections to consistently make the NCAA Tournament and make deep runs. The Jayhawks, though, don't have as many Final Four appearances, a title or comparable facilities.

That leaves the Spartans, who just keep plugging along.

"We've [even] lost video guys to the NBA," Izzo said. "It's hard on me to keep the continuity. I was talking to Drew Neitzel about this and he was recruited by Mike Garland and Brian Gregory, and then Doug Wojcik had him for a year, Jim Boylen had him for two years, and now he'll have Garland back again [who replaced Boylen] on the staff. It's hard on the player and the coach to survive all of that.

"That's what I consider us, I consider us survivors."

If you think for a second that anything in East Lansing will start faltering, think again. Just look at what Michigan State has going for itself in 2007-08 and beyond:

• The Spartans were 23-12 last season against the nation's ninth-best schedule and return 97.8 percent of their scoring, 97.5 percent of their rebounding, 97.1 percent of their assists and 96.8 percent of their players' minutes from last season.

• Neitzel, likely the preseason Big Ten Player of the Year and a possible national player of the year candidate, returns along with Travis Walton and Raymar Morgan as the core of the team. There also is a top-five recruiting class with guards Chris Allen, Kalin Lucas and Durrell Summers, and 7-foot center Tom Herzog is ready to play after redshirting.

• The Spartans were sixth nationally in scoring defense and field-goal percentage defense, and eighth in rebounding margin.

• The Spartans recently received an oral commitment from top-five player Delvon Roe, who graduates from high school in 2008.

"I'm as excited about the future as I have been in a while," Izzo said. "We've got the balance back in our classes. We've got all the pieces. I think we can get back [to the Final Four] again.

"It's funny, programs have been recruiting against me, saying that I'd be gone, gone to the NBA, and I've had my chances but I'm still here and a number of the coaches who were saying that are gone. It was an interesting thing [with the Hawks], but I have no regrets. We still maintain a tough schedule, we've put guys in the pros, we're graduating players at a humongous number, we've got the guys that weren't as highly recruited like Neitzel and [former MSU player Maurice] Ager. We've done it with different kinds of kids. Our crowds are great.

"Getting to the NCAA Tournament [this past season] was huge for us. That was our 10th year in a row. We've had the Final Fours, the championship, but there were a couple of years in a row that we didn't do as well, maybe because of injuries. But we still got in. We withstood some things. And despite not having the rep, we were able to reload."

Let the debate rage, but it might be hard to unseat Michigan State as the top program of the past 10 years.

Senior writer Andy Katz covers college basketball for ESPN.com.